Katic: A short letter to the men of UBC

The comments in this Facebook event really irritated me. I decided to write a short letter to the men of UBC. 

Dear men of UBC:

Please stop telling women how to be feminists.

Stop telling them how they should respond to this spate of sexual assaults. Is now the time for you to instruct woman on the proper tone, rhetoric, or strategy of their political organizing?

Please stop offering women unsolicited warnings about alienating the mainstream. They are not waiting for you to approve of their tactics. And why do you suddenly sound like a Saul Alinsky-thumping professional organizer?

Please stop telling women that you support them, but words like “patriarchy” or “rape culture” make you feel uncomfortable. The fragility of your support reads like a veiled threat of its removal. If women go a bit too far for your taste, does that mean you’ll abandon feminism and return to good-ol-fashion misogyny?

Most of all, please stop proclaiming how great you and your friends are. This isn’t about you. Women have to endure the terror of walking home while a predator is on the loose, why also make them endure your insufferable posturing as an ally?

Men of UBC, I’m not entirely sure what we’re supposed to do, but I think I know the first step: we need to shut up and listen, as blogger Mia McKenzie pointed out.

We’re fucking this up. From rape chants to this, we should all feel ashamed of ourselves. Sure, maybe you’re not the one assaulting people. You’re in a better moral position than that guy, but you’re not in the position to be telling women how to respond to the problem that we (read: men) have created.

I have one sensible proposal. The next time you feel the urge to tell a woman how to be better feminist, talk to a man about how to be a better man. Instead posting long-winded Facebook comments about how women are squandering an opportunity to have meaningful dialogue with men on campus, have your own meaningful dialogue with men on campus.

Talk to them about what we (read: men) should be doing to make this a safe place. Ask them what their female friends are saying, and tell them what your female friends are saying. Evaluate whether your shared environments (classes, locker rooms, frat houses, board rooms, and so on) are really all that friendly to women. Think about the strange phrases you use (like “I raped that exam”), and ask yourself why you are using them. Brainstorm ways to engage your younger brothers, and misogynist friends.

I don’t know, these are just some ideas. I’m not here to tell you what conversation to have. But we need to have one, and I’m afraid that we’re not having the right one.

 

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Gordon Katic (@gordonkatic) has been student coordinator for the Terry Project for over two years, and in that time started BARtalk, and the Terry Project on CiTR 101.9FM. A former Ubyssey columnist, and now a student at the UBC Graduate School of Journalism, Gordon is trying to use journalism to tell important stories about global issues.

25 Responses to “Katic: A short letter to the men of UBC”

  1. Spencer

    Hey Gordon,

    Your article is non-sense.

    “Stop telling them how they should respond to this spate of sexual assaults.”

    I will feel free to tell my female friends to be extra careful, just as their female friends would tell them to be extra careful. This makes me a caring person, and it is not somehow a behaviour in need of cessation as this article suggests. Whether a male or female makes that comment is irrelevant, and if you were really an egalitarian thinker you would agree.

    “Please stop telling women that you support them, but words like ‘patriarchy’ or ‘rape culture’ make you feel uncomfortable. ”

    It hurts just to read this. Consider that virtually all men (especially educated men, on a university campus) genuinely do support women. So, then maybe so many of us feel uncomfortable about these terms you mention because we are relentlessly targeted by feminists, and cannot behave in any way that resembles masculinity because if they did it would be offensive to feminists and the politically correct left. As a man who, like everyone else, feels regret and want for these crimes to end, why should I not feel uncomfortable when enduring attacks that claim things like patriarchy and rape culture? It’s nonsense! Give your head a shake. The idea of rape culture is despicable but so too is the assertion that it is the status quo in this country.

    Save your penmanship for the middle east where girl’s schools are bombed and women live in bondage. The feminists have long since won over here: life expectancy, being murdered or encountering violence, suicide, life in prison, homelessness, divorce rights, performance in elementary and high school; in Canada, boys and men fare more poorly in all of these, than their female counterparts, by a wide mile.

  2. chicfeminist

    Beautifully said! You’ve managed to capture my exact thoughts, as young woman who attended UBC and a women’s studies major. It takes courage to take this position, and you did an excellent job.

  3. RJ

    Spencer,

    Your comment reflects an ignorance about what it’s like to be a woman in this society, what feminism is, what it isn’t, and most importantly, the importance of YOUR comfort in a conversation about sexual assault. Let me you out help: it’s not important. At all. If talking about sexism and rape culture should make you uncomfortable, you should work out why that is instead of comforting yourself by talking down to people who actually give a shit.

    And nice racist swipe at the “Middle East” there. Try looking up “fallacy of relative privation”.

    But I guess I should thank you for giving a great example of what Gordon’s talking about here.

  4. shamelesshussy

    To Spencer above “The feminists have long since won over here” I can’t decide if that’s the most hilarious thing I’ve read today or the most tragic. Please take a moment to consider you might be able to enlighten yourself on this topic even though it’s not for course credit but to leave UBC a better place than you found it.

    Wonderful open letter Gord.

  5. Spencer

    Dear RJ,
    You are a moron.
    It is not a racist swipe. This is the entire problem with people like you and with feminists in general. If they don?t like what you say, they call you a racist or a sexist. It is not a racist remark because: (a) the remark was not about any race in particular (b) women?s rights are far worse in the middle east, specifically: countries like Afghanistan which are ranked the lowest in the world for women?s rights. So educate yourself, you total idiot.
    Secondly, it is not a fallacy of relative privation. It would be if I had suggested that the author should stop writing about Canada because its problems are smaller (and instead write about the Middle East because the author?s time would be better spent on ?bigger problems?). Rather, I said that the author should stop writing in Canada because ?feminists have won here? meaning that women are now surpassing men in virtually every area of life and I listed a few of them.
    Here?s the thing: I am willing to listen to anyone who has something to say. Any feminist, I will read your remarks and consider them. But feminists won?t do that for me. If they don?t like what I say, despite the fact that nothing I say is motivated by misogynist thinking (but instead only fact and critical thinking), they will still call me a sexist. Especially at places like universities that are supposed to be centers for free and open dialogue. You have demonstrated this with your ?racist? accusation above. Honestly, you threw the word out so easily, that I challenge you to define which race I was being racist against? Was it the Ashkenazi Jews in Israel? Or was it the Syrian people? You don?t even know my race. Are you sure I?m not a middle eastern person? The answer might surprise you.

  6. Spencer

    Hi Hussy

    I have taken a couple of women’s studies courses at UBC during my BA and I am now a doctoral student. I accept that you disagree, but I am speaking from an educated position.

  7. chicfeminist

    Spencer- it’s really sad that a doctoral student would reply to comments by calling people ‘morons’ and ‘idiots’, and it certainly doesn’t help to make your points. No one who has taken a women’s studies would ever state that “the feminists have long since won over here”. That’s absurd. Women are far from equal to men in North American society.

    As for your full statement:
    “The feminists have long since won over here: life expectancy, being murdered or encountering violence, suicide, life in prison, homelessness, divorce rights, performance in elementary and high school; in Canada, boys and men fare more poorly in all of these, than their female counterparts, by a wide mile.”

    You are very wrong about all of those things above.

    Women (especially single mothers and women of colour) are more likely to be poor and face barriers to housing that men do not. Much of the low income housing available is not safe for women or accessible for children, and many landlords will not rent to single mothers. Women are also more likely to be denied mortgages. Women are also less likely to get promoted, have the same pay as men for the same jobs, and often have to leave their chosen professions because the workplace ins’t inclusive or safe for women.

    Women face tremendous abuse, violence and murder rates- are you unaware there are over 500 missing and murdered Aboriginal women in Canada? Or that there were over 60 aboriginal women from the DTES that were killed?

    I don’t know what you’re taking about regarding divorce rights- but many recent legal studies in BC (e.g. by Pivot Legal Society and West Coast LEAF) show that divorce and child custody hearings put women at an increased risk for violence and poverty, and it is a fact in BC that women are disproportionately affected by cuts to legal aid, and an inability to access legal resources.

    Regarding prison: the United Nations has called on Canada repeatedly to address violence against women in Canadian prisons. For instance, In 1996 Louise Arbour conducted a report into the illegal stripping, shackling, transfer and segregation of women prisoners at the Prison for Women in Kingston. This led to ongoing investigations by Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) with many noted Charter or Rights Violations. And as I mentioned, in 2005, the United Nations Human Rights Commission (UNHRC) called on Canada to remedy the discriminatory treatment of women prisoners and uphold the Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) which they are defying.

    As for education: women are still extremely underrepresented in STEM disciplines (science, technology, engineering and math) and education is still structured to encourage women to enter caring professions disproportionately (nursing, teaching etc.) rather than encouraging women to enter careers that lead to a high level of power, authority and decision making.

  8. Spencer

    Hi Chic,

    Thanks for responding to me in earnest.
    First of all, just because one is educated doesn’t mean that person needs to necessarily show respect to people who take a shortcut to thinking and shout words like “sexist” and “racist”, in response to another’s reasoned position. If I’m wrong and you’re right, explain why, but please don’t use knee jerk phrases.
    Yes, I did indeed take these courses. I found that much of the reasoning used to justify neo-feminist positions is based on far-left political ideology that is referred to as though it is a priori knowledge.
    On the other hand, I agree with the principles of feminism that are consistent with Libertarian thinking like John Stuart Mill’s piece The Subjection of Women. So please don’t think that I am denying feminism absolutely, that would be silly. Of course we can agree on many things (in fact, probably most things), except the things which are arguing about here.
    Much of your post wrote some interesting things about the problems that women face in this country. But you did little to dispute my claim that men have it worse in this country. In fact, I can prove you are wrong on several points. I made seven claims. You replied “You are very wrong about all of those things above,” which clearly means that you dispute the following:

    1. Men live shorter lives
    2. Men are more likely to be murdered or experience violence
    3. Men are more likely to commit suicide
    4. Men have a worse experience in prison
    5. Men are more likely to be homeless
    6. Men are treated unfairly during divorce proceedings
    7. Men/Boys are doing more poorly in school
    Regarding life span (#1):

    You are wrong, men do in fact live shorter lives.

    Regarding murder/abuse (#2):

    You mention that women face “tremendous abuse, violence and murder rates”. Yes, I would agree. But my claim that men suffer more murder and violence is still correct.
    Men are 3 times more likely to be murdered in Canada. Here are the government statistics:

    Moreover, rates of abuse of child physical and sexual abuse are comparable among boys and girls. In the context of an interpersonal relationship, yes, women are more likely to be abused by men. I totally agree with you, but this was not my point of contention.

    Regarding sucide (#3):

    Men are 3-4 times more likely to commit suicide.

  9. Spencer

    Regarding (#4):

    You mentioned that the UN has called on Canada to reduce violence against women in Canadian prisons. I found this interesting. However, the conditions in prisons for men are far worse in this country, with higher rates of rape, murder and abuse. So, conditions in prisons for men and women are bad, but worse for men, as I had claimed.

    Regarding (#5)

    Your claim is that women are more likely to be poor, I’m not sure how you quantify that claim (please specify), but I know that men are more likely to be homeless, so check your facts. Men are 70% of the homeless population in Vancouver! Homeless count confirms this.

    Regarding (#6): This is a weak argument you make because you cite an extremely left-wing organization with clear political objectives. Even then, the claim is only that women are at increased risk of violence which is something I would not dispute.
    The divorce thing is very complicated, I’m not going to get into it in this thread.

    Regarding (#7): Boys are doing terribly in Canada in the US in school. They are far less likely to graduate, they score lower on standardized tests across elementary grades and high school. They are far less likely to get into university (Canadian admission rates for universities are >65% female). Girls and women are offered exclusive scholarships not available to boys/men. The male sex is getting absolutely trounced when it comes to education. It’s downright wrong to advocate for girls in education when boys are doing so poorly.

  10. Spencer

    Regarding STEM: There is significant research that shows that men naturally do better in spatial and mathematical activities, so it is natural that they would do well in physics and math. There has never been a female chess player that can come even close to competing at the world level, for example, in more than 100 years of organized international play. This research can be replicated across cultures and in young children to remove confounding variables of culture and educational development.

    There is also significant research that shows that women excel at jobs requiring interpersonal skills, and that girls/women are naturally able at reading/writing. In jobs where these skills are required, women have disproportionately high employment, as one might expect.

    I am not saying it is a simple, black and white issue, as inter-individual variability is far greater than inter-sex variability. However, by arguing that women need to be more represented in STEM (so they represent at least 50% of the jobs), are you then arguing that women should have more than 50% of all of the available jobs, if you want to eliminate domains where men occupy more jobs? Is it not reasonable to expect that for a particular type of job, it might be better suited to men? Because I can accept that certain jobs are better suited to women, given what the above research outcomes indicate. We have a problem if all domains of employment are dominated by women, as this is the logical equivalence of saying that men are a minority in every domain of the workforce. What I’m saying is that, we have to accept that it is natural for some domains to be dominated by one sex. For instance, I believe that men are better suited to be firefighters.

    With that said, women can do absolutely anything, but they might be more likely to choose one job over another due to natural tendency. This is not evidence of discrimination as you seem to be construing it (e.g. if nursing is 70%/30% because more women naturally choose nursing than men, then no discrimination is at play, but rather free market economics and individual liberty).

    Regarding promotions, there is rampant affirmative action in government run organizations where women are promoted over men to keep sex ratios intact. It sounds like you are referring to private industry, but I would respond that corporations make decisions to maximize profits and it is not my prerogative to tell business owners who to promote because they are the owner of the business.

    Men are more likely to work longer hours, to work later in their lives, to work at more labour-intensive jobs, etc. Check out statistics for male versus female physicians. Again, variability due to individual exceeds that of the sex always, but the median and mean work hours per week and number of years in life worked show that mean work much more than women. So why not promote them more if they work more? This follows from a capitalist system.

    There are also systemic, cultural norms that go against men. Female circumcision is a human rights abuse that is banned by law at the national and international level, whereas it is condoned by society for boys. Men are obligated by law to fight when drafted, whereas women are not. If we had laws that applied differentially to Jews, they would anti-semitic. If they applied to women, sexist. If they applied to blacks, racist. But differential treatment of men is accepted and normalized as “one’s duty”.
    I would summarize by saying that I agree with much of what you are saying and many of the principles that you are speaking out for. I just dispute the claim that is taken as fact by so many that women have it worse than men in today’s West.

    Thanks for the debate, I thought your post was interesting.

  11. Spencer

    Also, I had to remove all my links because it wouldn’t let me post, but Statistics Canada will verify every I claim. Take 1-2 minutes to Google it yourself if you don’t believe me.

    Thanks

  12. RJ

    Spencer: Notice how I put “Middle East” in quotes? You treated the Middle East as a monolith. I don’t see how generalizations about several countries, particularly generalizations about how they’re much worse than us, are anything but racist.

    I don’t say people are sexist or racist because I don’t like what they say. I say people are racist or sexist when I notice they’re doing something racist or sexist. If you’re uncomfortable with being called racist or sexist, try reflecting on whether you unintentionally did something racist or sexist.

    If your discomfort is more important for you to address than possible racism and sexism, then you’re not ready for these conversations.

  13. Spencer

    ” I don’t see how generalizations about several countries, particularly generalizations about how they’re much worse than us, are anything but racist. ”

    Right, and that’s because you are a total idiot. Read the above sentence again and give your head a shake. Countries have people of different races, so to generalize about a country is not racist because you are not referring to any particular race. If I said “Americans are stupid” (ie. negatively generalizing about a country) then by deduction, you claim that I am being racist. And yet the United States has people of so many races, being an immigrant nation. Your claim is very weak-minded.

    None of this has anything to do with race, whatsoever. Also, I never said that any country is worse than us. I said that women have less rights there, and this is absolutely supported by research. Have a look at the World Economic Forum Gender Gap Report, where Yemen, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Pakistan are listed as being literally the worst in the world for women. So as for treating the middle east as a monolith, I would qualify that remark by saying “most but perhaps not all of the middle east” has more substantial issues with women’s rights than Canada does. If you don’t like that, then your beliefs are not congruent with fact and that’s not my problem.

    I would take it further and say that generalizations of people of a particular race are also not racist if they are true. Medicine is an excellent example of this, where clinicians are trained to look for things like abuse in all populations, but especially in populations where it is far more common (e.g. First Nations). Similarly, they are trained to consider diseases that are far more common in people of a particular race (e.g. Sickle Cell Anemia in people of African origin). None of this is racism. To say that women’s rights are less developed in countries where women’s rights are less developed is not racism. Again, if you can’t see this then you are a moron because your definition of racism includes factual, non-biased statements about populations. Please educate yourself so that you are “ready for these conversations”.

    People like you are the problem, because you take issues where people could make progress and you stifle them by shouting out “racism” when it is totally unwarranted. This makes people not want to talk. It makes people apathetic and causes them to disengage from caring about feminist issues.

  14. Gary

    Am I the only one who thinks that the article’s generalization of all men is sexist…I mean, I don’t have a problem with it when the argument is based off of the premise that men do not have to worry about being raped but that one fact does not mean that men can’t engage in feminist conversations with women.

    “you?re not in the position to be telling women how to respond to the problem that we (read: men) have created.”

    Hardly seems fair that our opinions do not count for anything just because we are men and (essentially) have no possibility of getting raped. Are you saying that men should never voice their recommendations of how to respond to women on matters that only women are prone to? If so, then I would assume that you wouldn’t be sexist and would make the inverse relationship between women and men true. And wouldn’t that be like saying women shouldn’t voice their opinions to men about, lets say, how men should respond to finding out they have prostate cancer?

  15. nemesis

    LOL @ Spencer.

    And as a GUY reading this comment…

    1. Men live shorter lives -> Yes, it is cause we seem to enjoy being in dangerous circumstances much more than females do. We choose to drink and smoke more. As well, males aren’t generally that good at taking care of ourselves compared to females. Conclusion? It’s our fault, I take responsibility for not paying attention to my health enough like girls do.

    2. Men are more likely to be murdered or experience violence-> Yes, again… think about your days in elementary school. How did boys resolve arguments? We talked with our fists. Instead of talking to a bully in a civilized manner, I CHOSE to fight him. And on the topic of murder… if you think of a criminal, what sex is he likely going to be? Obviously male. Again, why is this so? It seems like us guys like to CHOOSE the dangerous path of life (drugs, gangs, etc). As well, what guy would want to hit a girl anyway?

    3. Men are more likely to commit suicide -> Sure, guys have heavy social pressures. Work can get brutal while we are trying to feed our family. Why not then allow more females to enter the workforce so we can even the load? As well, WE CHOOSE to hide our emotions more often the girls do. Reason being is showing our “inner” feelings to other males is considered to be “weak” and “girly”. We can’t seem to let go of our ego…

    4. Men have a worse experience in prison -> Wow, way to bring up this one. Who are the ones creating these “terrible experiences” in prison? Definitely males. Its MALES who are CHOOSING to ruin everybody’s experience in prison by fucking shit up. Are we going to blame feminists or society for this? Pffft.

    5. Men are more likely to be homeless -> I bet you there is no causative study that definitely pinpointed an increase of the chance of being homeless simply due to being male. This is simply a correlation. There are more males homeless at this point (seems like there is when I pass by hastings anyway), and that doesn’t mean it’s simply caused by being a male. The cause of homelessness is complex. Why shove this point here anyway? How does it even relate to creeps attacking vulnerable females?

    6. Men are treated unfairly during divorce proceedings -> Super complex issue. Definitely can’t be black and white with this. This depends on the circumstance of each divorce case.

    7. Men/Boys are doing more poorly in school-> I feel like this isn’t solely due to the fact that the educational system has geared it such that it only enhanced the learning of females. Again, it’s super complex. Boys definitely have more avenues of distraction compared to girls do. Note that we’re not given a different learning environment than females. More males are choosing to not really care about school and get into drugs, etc.

    Anyway, just getting back to the root issue (no need to argue and assert who is right or who is wrong)… I would like to ask you a question

    How would you feel Spencer if your daughter, or your wife was sexually assaulted?

    To say that feminists “won over here”?
    Who needs to protect women anyway… other women?!
    We are males, and we need protect and respect women who give birth to our children.
    Girls got the short end of the stick for more than 2000 years. So in my opinion, its about time they get some equality. And I’m not going to be some sour, whiny loser about it because in the end, I want my daughter to be safe and happy

  16. Spencer

    You blame men exclusively for their problems. The problems of prison conditions and suicide and death in war are due to cultural norms and societal expectations. Blaming men for their high suicide rates is like blaming single mothers for having trouble finding housing.

    “How would you feel Spencer if your daughter, or your wife was sexually assaulted”

    This makes me cringe. Again, we are having a critical discussion and you throw this sort of non-sense into the conversation. How I would feel is irrelevant, but that is not to say that I would not feel things like regret or sadness.

    You begin your piece with “As a GUY reading this comment” and write “we should protect our females”. I doubt realize that the author of the article that you are trying to defend (although yes, he is an idiot) is writing this article against people that take your position. He explicitly writes that “This isn’t about you” referring to men in general. Your remarks make it seem as though you misunderstood the premise of the article, which is in part that you should not being talking about yourself. To be clear, I believe that the problem of criminal predators that rape women is a problem for society (for everyone) and not just women. I think that it is beneficial for people to discuss such problems and that authors like the one who wrote this article, should stop telling other people how to behave.

    With regard to equality, I don’t want that. Men will never be equal to women, because we have different bodies and are inherently different animals. However, I do want to live in an egalitarian country, where there is reasonably equal opportunity for everyone, and that is why I am advocating for boys who are being screwed out of a decent education due to in part feminist extremism. It is also why I am an advocate for issues that affect women negatively.

  17. Chiyi Tam

    Spencer.
    Please just stop for a moment and realise, how you feel really does not matter in this context.
    If you want to be a caring person, and an ally to someone else/group of people. Just sit down, stop talking and listen to what it is that I/we need. That is all that you have to do. Just stop for a moment.

  18. Kelly

    I can’t believe these so-called feminism experts championing the stereotype that men are walking erections. Rape is about power and spreading misconceptions on the subject is dangerous, demeaning and HARMFUL to women. If rapists simply have poor restraint of their sex drives, as the posters state, should switch my pepper-spray up for a turtleneck and some sweatpants?

  19. David

    To the author: So according to you I should sit here and not have opinions of my own about a very troubling issue. As a guy I should not be offended by the assumption that I am a pervert and a rapist because I have male genitalia when I read posters saying, “Don’t be a creep! Learn how to manage your sex drive.” If you didn’t catch the implication of a poster saying this, it is that any male is a creep and a sex fiend…how does that help guys listen?
    Isn’t a discussion more effective when EVERYONE listens to one another to some extent, yes that means guys shut up and listen, but if our input is meaningless why should I as a male even listen if my opinions at the end of it will be taken as pure shit due to my gender? That’s the issue those misogynists on the events page are jumping off of, resulting in them coming to odd conclusions about the issues. Maybe, just maybe, we can strain the bullshit from those comments and get something constructive out of them. But that requires mutual understanding and listening. Notice I said mutual?
    Sure it is not a sensitive time to offer this opinion of rhetoric and tactics, but when is? When they caught the SOB? When we’ve had these events and heard all other opinions and things have changed? Doesn’t that mean that we are not a part of that change? I guess not…As an average guy I find some of the comments in the article sexist and they do not support a proper way of tackling the issue of rape culture on our campus.
    Neither the above article nor the McKenzie opinion cited takes the above into consideration. Do you really just want us to listen and stay quiet and blindly follow whatever the person in charge thinks is the right way to solve the issues facing all of us? If it’s a female’s opinion on this topic that I disagree with, is it sexist for me as a male to voice such disagreement because I have a penis or can I actually offer a proper opinion on the topic? Your article says “no”. It tells me that I am wrong to think I have something to say, or even should say something to anyone.
    This mentality divides us. It makes a clear dividing line between the guys who aren’t assholes and want to tackle these issues and women who want to do the same. Maybe we actually want to have an honest conversation about this topic rather than a mere one sided conversation. It’s a two way street last time I checked. I want to hear the opinion of women on this campus as the article suggests and what can be done about the situation BUT (big “but” here that has been ignored) guys need to a part of that conversation, OFFERING opinions based on understanding of the issues.
    Oh and before I forget when you say, “You’re not in the position to be telling women how to respond to the problem that we (read: men) have created.” I cringe because it suggests that you think I should be responsible for assholes raping girls at parties, or that asshole who’s out there just because I have a dick. Isn’t that similar to saying that if a white guy mugs me all white guys have caused this and therefore should feel responsible for it? I don’t feel responsible, you know why? Because I didn’t do anything and there isn’t a bone in my body that wouldn’t have such guys that have prosecuted and punished for their actions. That doesn’t mean I don’t want to help solve the issues at hand.
    If we can’t criticize each other’s opinions, what’s the point? Why should we even bother thinking about it? Should we because guys should feel responsible for the action of any guy as a result of thousands of years of male domination? By that logic I shouldn’t care right now…and yet I do. Strange…maybe its magic?

  20. Billy

    Why are we having dialogues about feminism? Yes, males are more likely to rape women… but this has nothing to do with local culture. It is to do with built-in biochemistry if anything, but since it would be far from true to say that men are innately likely to rape, it is much more of a case-to-case scenario. The topic here should be social deviance and criminality. Whether women are given equal rights as men or not is a completely different social issue, and if someone can illuminate a convincing link between them, I would be most grateful.

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